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The symbol shows the location of the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter which serves 4,490,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.

This transmitter has no current reported problems

The BBC and Digital UK report there are no faults or engineering work on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter.

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Which Freeview channels does the Crystal Palace transmitter broadcast?

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Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.

MuxH/VFrequencyHeightModeWatts
PSB1
BBCA
 H max
C23 (490.0MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
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1 BBC One (SD) London, 2 BBC Two England, 9 BBC Four, 23 BBC Three, 201 CBBC, 202 CBeebies, 231 BBC News, 232 BBC Parliament, 250 BBC Red Button, plus 15 others

PSB2
D3+4
 H max
C26 (514.0MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
3 ITV 1 (SD) (London), 4 Channel 4 (SD) London ads, 5 Channel 5, 6 ITV 2, 10 ITV3, 13 E4, 14 Film4, 15 Channel 4 +1 London ads, 18 More4, 26 ITV4, 30 E4 +1, 35 ITV1 +1 (London),

PSB3
BBCB
 H max
C30- (545.8MHz)324mDTG-200,000W
Channel icons
56 5SELECT, 101 BBC One HD (England no regional news), 102 BBC Two HD (England), 103 ITV 1 HD (ITV London), 104 Channel 4 HD London ads, 105 Channel 5 HD, 106 BBC Four HD, 109 BBC Three HD, 204 CBBC HD, 205 CBeebies HD, plus 1 others

COM4
SDN
 H max
C25 (506.0MHz)314mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
20 Drama, 21 5USA, 29 ITV2 +1, 32 5STAR, 33 5Action, 41 Legend, 42 GREAT! movies action, 46 Channel 5 +1, 58 ITVBe +1, 59 ITV3 +1, 64 Blaze, 67 CBS Reality, 74 Dave ja vu, 78 TCC, 81 Blaze +1, 89 ITV4 +1, 203 CITV, 208 Pop Player, 209 Ketchup TV, 210 Ketchup Too, 211 YAAAS!, plus 15 others

COM5
ArqA
 H max
C22 (482.0MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
11 Sky Arts, 17 Really, 19 Dave, 31 E4 Extra, 36 pick, 40 Quest Red, 43 Food Network, 47 Film4 +1, 48 Challenge, 49 4seven, 57 Smithsonian Channel, 60 Drama +1, 70 Quest +1, 75 Yesterday +1, 83 Together TV, 233 Sky News, plus 9 others

COM6
ArqB
 H max
C28- (529.8MHz)321mDTG-8200,000W
Channel icons
12 Quest, 25 W, 27 Yesterday, 34 GREAT! movies, 39 DMAX, 44 HGTV, 71 Quest Red +1, 73 HobbyMaker, 82 Talking Pictures TV, 84 PBS America, 88 Classic Hits, 235 Al Jazeera Eng, plus 19 others

LW
 H -10dB
C35 (586.0MHz)324mDTG-1220,000W
Channel icons
from 31st March 2014: 8 LONDON LIVE,

DTG-8 64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)

Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Crystal Palace transmitter?

regional news image
BBC London 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London W1A 1AA, 11km north-northwest (334°)
to BBC London region - 55 masts.
regional news image
ITV London News 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London WC1X 8XZ, 11km north-northwest (345°)
to ITV London region - 55 masts.

Are there any self-help relays?

Charlton AthleticTransposerRedeveloped north stand Charlton Athletic Football Club130 homes
DeptfordTransposersouth-east London100 homes
GreenfordTransposer12 km N Heathrow Airport203 homes
HendonTransposerGraham Park estate50 homes
White CityTransposer9 km W central London80 homes

How will the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmission frequencies change over time?

1950s-80s1984-971997-981998-20122012-1321 Mar 2018
VHFA K TA K TA K TA K TW T
C1BBCtvwaves
C22ArqAArqA
C23ITVwavesITVwavesITVwavesBBCABBCA
C25SDNSDN
C26BBC1wavesBBC1wavesBBC1wavesD3+4D3+4
C28-ArqBArqB
C29LW
C30C4wavesC4wavesC4waves-BBCBBBCB
C33BBC2wavesBBC2wavesBBC2wavescom7
C35com8
C55tv_offcom7tv_off
C56tv_offCOM8tv_off

tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 4 Apr 12 and 18 Apr 12.

How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?

Analogue 1-4 1000kW
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB(-7dB) 200kW
com7(-13.7dB) 43.1kW
com8(-14dB) 39.8kW
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B*, Mux C*, Mux D*, LW(-17dB) 20kW

Which companies have run the Channel 3 services in the Crystal Palace transmitter area

Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated-Rediffusion†
Sep 1955-Jul 1968Associated TeleVision◊
Jul 1968-Dec 1992Thames†
Jul 1968-Feb 2004London Weekend Television♦
Jan 1993-Feb 2004Carlton†
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc♦
Feb 2004-Dec 2014ITV plc†
Feb 1983-Dec 1992TV-am•
Jan 1993-Sep 2010GMTV•
Sep 2010-Dec 2014ITV Daybreak•
• Breakfast ◊ Weekends ♦ Friday night and weekends † Weekdays only. Crystal Palace was not an original Channel 3 VHF 405-line mast: the historical information shown is the details of the company responsible for the transmitter when it began transmitting Channel 3.

Comments
Friday, 20 April 2012
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lesg
1:31 AM
Reading

My admiration increases more and more for guys such as Briantist, jb38, Mike Dimmick and Dave Lindsay. Apart from their technical knowledge, they must have tremendous patience in helping us mortals deal with these switchover issues especially when they have to keep repeating the same answers!
Further to my post yesterday concerning apparent success with my Humax STB and Panasonic PVR, I encountered a few more glitches today. When I retuned the Panny PVR it had lost the HD channels found yesterday. So I bypassed the old booster from the aerial input, retuned again and Robert's your father's brother! Everything is now received, signal strength is around 60 to 70% and quality is 100%, with not a pixel out of place. Previously I had assumed that my signal could not possible be too high as I live near Reading on the western fringes of the reception area (which is why we had the amplifier to get decent analogue reception). I was wrong, since the booster was obviously having an adverse effect. People really close to Crystal Palace must be able to get their signals without an aerial (well almost)!
So thanks guys, your repeated advice on signals being overloaded or too strong have convinced me!

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Dave Hughes
10:12 AM

Hi,

To start with I am not a techie so go gentle with me. I live just outside Chelmsford and at about 9pm to 11pm most nights pixels start to drop from my HD channels, also channels seemed to randomly dissapear in the morning. I thought that the retune on 18th would solve this but woke this morning to find BBC radio channels gone, and most of the TV gone, so went through the rigmoral of doing a full rescan again. I select Anglia on my box - but also have the option to select London or Kent, am I doing something wrong or am I doomed to have to do full rescans most days to watch tele / listen to radio. It is frustrating as I have to set up the timer recordings each time I do a full rescan

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Kevin Hodges
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10:28 AM
Chelmsford

Dave Hughes, I too live in Chelmsford and use Sudbury and receive a good signal. Chelmsford is very localised as to which is the best transmitter. Which way does your aerial point as from Chelmsford Crystal Palace and Sudbury are almost in opposite directions. Might I suggest a manual tune to only select the required channels

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Chris
11:10 AM

Hmm, my channel scan has resulted in all my SDN channels having QPSK modulation?! I've got no idea how QPSK differs from 64QAM, but I still seem to get a picture.

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Dave Lindsay
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11:13 AM

Dave Hughes: What transmitter does your aerial point to? If it is Crystal Palace then you need to select London or if it is Sudbury then you need to select Anglia.

If you have two aerials (one on each transmitter) that are combined into one cable, then you should be able to choose either.

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Kate
11:51 AM
London

Roger, on one PC I stopped all the media center services, cleared out the database and tried a fresh setup of the TV signal. Big mistake. Now I can get no channels at all on that PC, even after a system restore. On the PC where I just tried to update the TV signal, I can at least get the BBC channels which have not changed location. I have no idea how to fix this.

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NICK ADSL UK
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1:39 PM

Just an update in that the aerial engineers for crawley and gatwick and surrounding areas have told me that on the switch over all was well but in the second switch-over everything has gone wrong and they in many cases have had to go out again to find out why

Does anyone know on what the guys at crystal palace have done for the second changeover that was so very different from the first changeover ?

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David Taylor
2:42 PM
Swanley

Hi JB38
Tried with an indoor aerial and got freezing
and pixelating but wiggly picture seemed better I think a job to tell with the picture freezing.
Does this mean iv'e got to try and get a signal strength between the two ?
Would an attenuater help?
This is the price of progress I guess after it took me years faffing about to get a decent analogue picture they do away with it.
This seems a familiar story of the powers that be believing all the hype about new technology and jumping in feet first without
thinking of the consequences for the man
(or woman)in the street.
Yours Dave

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jb38
sentiment_very_satisfiedPlatinum

4:04 PM

NICK ADSL UK : Well as far as I can gather they haven't really done anything other than up the power of the remaining muxes, that said though, it is possible that this action would have had the effect of further adding to the level of swamping (overloading) that was most likely already being experienced by many from the high powered PSB BBC mux that was already switched, albeit that because there was only one channel involved it only affected a small part of the overall channel span of the tuner, but when the power was increased on the remaining five muxes the high powered signals then covered a broader spectrum and spread the overloading already experienced across a higher percentage of the tuners total channel span, thereby taking the slight overloading already experienced nearer to the critical level at which a receiving devices tuner can cope with before causing picture freezing and glitches of various sorts to occur, and the stage just before complete blocking of the signal.

In other words, most tuners can cope with a strong signal on a small part of a frequency range they might cover, but when overly strong signals are multiplied and cover a larger area in a tuner then the effect on the input circuitry is much greater.

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NICK ADSL UK
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4:34 PM

Many thanks JB
I will keep you updated for this neck of the woods and will let you know what the chief engineer of Digital UK has to say when i speak with him on Monday

I'm finding in my house only my 10 years old Japanese sony dvd recorder working perfectly and my sony tv in my daughters bedroom

my sons new phillips tv and our main top of the range new Panasonic that was ok on the first change over but has now failed on the second change over

looks like i will now need to buy a another couple of Sony TV's i do know that only Sony hold the main patent for the receiver chip

samsung and LG TV's don't work in my house at all and never have done despite the companies concerned were looking in to it

My train of thought here is that the whole oversight of the switch over has been badly executed by team without much overall understanding of the tv tuner chips involved

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