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All week will be unpicking hi the BBC reports on itself also Janey Godley it's the perfect balance of stand up and conversation and Janey Godley seebohm on Radio 4 has stood strong feelings.

It does region comedian is here to explain the thinking behind her show and will be taking a temperature check on how you think the BBC covers the NHS haven't heard a lot about the NHS having a health check.

I hope the BBC does not bring out the usual range of.

Change talk to the real experts working on the shop floor.

I'll be putting your comments to Dr Kevin Fong presenter of a new Radio 4 Series the NHS who cares but first in the past week BBC News has been engaged in the torturous process of reporting on itself after allegations emerged in the Sun newspaper does an unnamed BBC presenter had paid a young person for sexually explicit images BBC says it takes any allegations very seriously following a newspaper report that presenter paid a teenager for sexually explicit images dominated new Cycles and while journalist reporting at the BBC News the identity of the presenter.

They were unable to share that with listeners with Sarah Montague on world at 1 on Tuesday and he's not been name.

Everyone in this building knows who it is and then awful.

Lot of people who also have a duty of care to male presenters on air having to go on air to say that they are it's not them.

It's not a sustainable situation.

Is it is a very difficult and complex situation and we're trying to calmly and judiciously navigate our way through quite difficult Circumstance where is I said you've got to balance duty of care issues privacy issues on Wednesday evening the presenter was identified as the BBC's highest-paid journalist Hugh Edwards in the past few moments the wife of the BBC newsreader Hugh Edwards has named him as the presenter facing allegations about the police said there was no evidence of any criminal offence being further allegations about the presenter some from BBC staff have since emerged and the BBC director-general Tim Davie said the case remains complex and the

Will follow due process many of our listeners have criticised the BBC Four hi, it's covered this story Gillian mailing Solutions in Falling Into the Trap of creating and generating a media feeding friends the about this story the BBC is white respect the privacy of all the individuals concerned and stick to it going standards evidence to establish the facts rather than to come to the twitterati court of public opinion and instant gratification a caravan will inevitably move on Google Harris from brill, Buckinghamshire for today at it is believed that this Mabel gazing Story by is a phrase advisedly most important news event sharply illustrate the structural defects within BBC News BBC reports on the media.

It usually fails to concede it have skin in the

The presented story could be seeing as match between the BBC and the sun but where is The Voice making this point hello this is Jane Haverstock calling from North Yorkshire why are BBC News and programs such as today taking such an auntie BBC line with the accountable Media body is quite clear the sun which started this off without checking and counter checking it all concerned including Italy's BBC manager from the top down should be standing up against such attacks unless that is there backing each successive attempt to dismantle the BBC's reputation Stephen Barnett is professor of Communications at the University of Westminster giving those comments I Began by asking him if there was a disconnect between the priority that this story was give.

And by listening, I think that's absolutely right and that confirms a lot of the discussions and the feedback that I've had with people both in the media and the media BBC journalist want to demonstrate their independence from their own management from the institution then show that they can be independently critical and that's a good thing, but I'm afraid there are times when it becomes obsessive and self indulgent and in 3035 years of following the media following broadcast commentating on the media.

I have never see the BBC follow a BBC story and report on it with quite so much obsess self-interest.

I wonder though if you don't think that BBC News as distinct from the BBC was almost an impossible position because from the day that this story.

BBC News journalist new that the man at the centre of it was stupid was one of the best and broadcasters in the country and they were a very difficult position because they couldn't name him for reasons that I think we are aware of the stage, but if they haven't given that story prominence.

Would they not now be accused of having covered up.

Yes of course and no one is suggesting that it should not have been covered when the sun first reported it.

This was a story about an unknown presenter based on a single source where they allege they now pretend they didn't but they did a leisure activity which we now know never took place nor did they report that the young person involved themselves wooden night this allegation? This is so it was Bhajan from the very beginning.

It was flimsy evidence.

They did not supply any of the evidence that they said they had like bank accounts for example.

Accusing the BBC News journalists of bad journalism, that's the sun that actually bad and doesn't just start with the original story it then continues with the way in which other journals following up and in this case is not just the BBC there are other media outlets who was slave actually following this agenda without critically analysing the background story and the nature of the evidence and as you know any decent journalist looks a story and says what's the evidence for this? What's the first-hand evidence for this? Not the let's see the bank statements the to sworn affidavit from the parents the emails from the BBC or whatever they else they said they had we didn't see any of that instantly.

Where is the sunbed over the last few days Victoria Newton the editor of The Sun invisible and is quite right that the BBC the director-general should come out and she may

Statement and Tim Davie have done that in these fronted up and explain what happened BBC News journalists did uncover more allegation some of which were broadcast Hugh Edwards wife made that statement identifying him.

Are you saying now that BBC News should simply stop investigating this you Edwards yes, I think I am I'm afraid as there are issues for the BBC internally if there are now allegations being made about behaviour that happened within the BBC I think it's absolutely right that BBC management investigate those and should then decide what appropriate action there might be it might be disciplinary action that might be actions to change the internal processes and protocols, but I think to pursue allegations against someone who is clearly now in a very very vulnerable condition would simply Be Wrong what purpose.

There is not there is no public interest in it anymore.

Huw Edwards is one of the most trusted presenters of BBC News and I wonder to what extent this will damage trust in the BBC you're absolutely right to min-kyu Edwards has been an authoritative voice of the BBC for over 20-years and this will come as a shock.

I do think it's been blown out of proportion and let's emphasise that we are not talking about any kind of criminality here.

We're talking about something that goes on between the adults human beings do things that sometimes not entirely in accordance with their public face particularly high profile people.

I think that's different from actually saying this is going to damage the reputation of the BBC thanks to Professor Stephen bonnet if you would like to share your thoughts on anything you've heard on BBC

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It's feedback PO Box number 67234 London se1p for a now do we see my mummy is a hero wish your flood woman and then years later when I met my husband and I was just my boyfriend in my mummy hate Catholics and I remember saying to me.

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Downing Street to have a shout comedian Janey Godley has never shied away from opening up about painful traumas in her life from childhood abuse to her mother in 2021.

She was diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer and in her new Radio 4 Series Janey Godley seebohm.

She's telling all the jokes no-holds-barred because she doesn't know how long she's got left my welcome to feedback and I feel like I know you from Twitter and of course.

I think I first got to know you when you come Donald Trump to Scotland with that sign has Twitter and the internet made a huge difference to your career as they can accommodate seen changed as I got easier.

I think social media has definitely changed the landscape of comedy especially for women h.

Stand up is very easily accessible to shore videos and

Extracts that can be shared across platforms, so it is changing of course when women come on social media the immediately get attacked by men #not all men but it's a great for women to show off the skills on in fact actually the social media has given you a huge.

Rachel mean even Dolly Parton has put you in a song I don't know but really is true, but I like the idea of it.

You need to fix skin though.

Don't you two actually handle the colour of abuse that you can get when you put yourself out there.

I had men who fought in Korea tell me it was too fat for a nice pair of pedal pushers in 1985 so I'm kinda used to that but the biggest mistake.

Arguing back I arcade back for years.

I mean it took the heat off my husband.

I have to say but are getting back with her sister waste of time my psychologist who attended told me your pubes four-part series on Radio 4 The C-Bomb tell us a bit about why you decide seebohm isn't the word that you think it is it's actually counselling and after everything that have faced in my life.

I always believe they didn't need can I was convinced that was ok until I got council then realised I really really wasn't ok.

You do top very openly and with a huge amount of compassion and also humour of course in your show about your family and I just wonder if you think that you are diagnosis of ovarian cancer and everything that you've been through.

Has changed the way that you approach a comedy has it made you in a way braver about your comedy? I think it has made me believe it.

I do a joke on stage where the audience of and dying.

I'm telling all the jokes so I'm less scared of push back now.

We've has a lot of very positive from listeners from Stockport she's not funny to the point where it seems she can't help it it seems I was the first photos of a one woman welcome committee for Donald Trump and the trenches views expressed on a placard on social media supporting others who are under attack despite undergoing debilitating treatment for cat.

Is that sounds were the rather than hilarious that satirical voice overs make up for it the Radio 4 series is the perfect balance of stand up and conversation with a Ashley storrie and I commend it unreservedly.

I think it's wonderful.

I mean I was doing comedy about being sexually abused my mum being murdered about living with a gangster family and caught with guns had that 20 years ago and they decided to do comedy about subjects that are typically easy to do comedy about of course not have loved your comedy Douglas for example from near Skipton said to choose tits Janey Godley Bentley to the intelligent do not for me.

I don't know.

How old is happening to the radio good for you and Mrs woman, Fiskerton I hope you find what you like to listen to have commented on a touching relationship with your daughter.

Ashley's obviously also comedian and who is apart of the shows and it does feel very poignant because you're telling your life story which is an extraordinary life story with the added layer that we know about the prognosis of your varian cancer and you talking to your daughter.

Of course it feel emotional just listening to it.

What's it like to do it for the two of us really difficult I am hyper aware that iova share everything I have two places that affect how she's gonna feel and keep stuff to myself because she doesn't have to know everything that frightens me because she's not an extension of me.

She's a person and I don't write and we both talk about when I'm going to die and we both accept that I'm not going to get the time that I wanted with her and we both know that that's rubbish and we cry sometimes.

We just sit and look at each other then have a good guy and then she'll say do you want make you tea, because you've got the bad bad cancer and we have a laugh about it as well.

You chose to record this in front of live audiences, what kind of challenge has not been for you because obviously you're also undergoing chemotherapy.

It must be quite a tough thing to do.

It wasn't at love to say it was a huge hill climb it really wasn't I've been very lucky responding to the chemotherapy.

I didn't even vomit which is unusual for me cos I'm so in actual fact doing stand-up made me feel normal and by normal.

I mean not well with cancer and stand up.

It's the only.

Makes sense to me this is an accent.

Listening to the C-Bomb Jamie's approached her diagnosis and prognosis is refreshing as a Healthcare professional.

I know conversations about death and are sensitive and lots of people struggle with this her openness to discuss her journey and honesty about her life limiting conditions using the vehicle of comedy as a gateway for people to see that.

It's ok to communicate your feelings and fears to your loved ones, how much of your comedy is a b being able to actually communicate someone thing other people to know what it feels like think it's important to talk about death in a funny way.

I've always done that this isn't you talking about death for 25 years and the comedy and I think it's really important to take the darkest subject and bring it in other light.

I know that I don't have as long as I wanted but it's like I'm a human advent calendar people keep gone how long have you got left in a usually say 2 days because that stupid question and what are your plans for more comedy? I can't imagine it.

You're going to stop doing it anytime.

I want to keep doing comedy and keep doing the job.

I'm still got the ice cream drink a glass of champagne stand on stage joke about dying cuddle my sausage dog and tell my husband.

I love him and I don't want to hear any more about the Plantagenet Jamie thank you so much for joining us on feedback and you can listen to Janey Godley The C-Bomb on BBC signs know you remember when you used to have to pay for doctors.

Oh, yeah, Doctor smelly is Neymar's half a crown of visit.

I don't know what we do is the best Healthcare system in the world by definitely not giving the outcomes that we get in some of the experience of patients.

You really can't claim it's the best in this.

Year's is the 75th anniversary of the National Health Service in his new series 4 radio for the NHS who cares critical care doctor and consultant anaesthetist Dr Kevin Fong who's worked in the NHS for 25 years explores the challenges the service is facing today from the perspective of Frontline teams delivering care district nurses to consultants and GPS and from patients who remember life before the NHS it's an unflinching look at what was once considered the Jewel sign of the welfare state Kevin explode some common myths and asks if the NHS has become the victim of its own success.

I was struck by what a huge topic.

What's the tackle and absolutely is 75 years 1.5 million people system that is one of the biggest organisations in the world.

We couldn't cover everything so I think we wanted to represent as many corners of the services.

We could as evenly as we couldn't will have missed stuff out, but I think we did a good job in the end.

I think we got you know beyond the NHS into the don't usually get looked this herbicide and Waller haven't heard a lot about the NHS having a health check.

I hope the BBC does not bring out the usual range of experts for a change.

Talk to the real experts working on the shop floor the NHS is in a crisis for a number of reasons, but all we hear about is a lack of money and staff these are important but what about the amount of waste that takes place the politics between clinicians and managers the hubris and arrogance of Simon senior management leading to miss you so precious resources.

And the lack of accountability you really tried to talk to the people who are in the front line a rather than talking to for example academic.

Yeah, and it was important to me.

I mean I work for the NHS for 25 years no wanted something that was told from the perspective of the people who work for service at the moment and how it feels to them however appears to them and help that we're informed the Debate think so yeah that was essential to us that you got this other bottom-up perspective which I think is essential in the NHS the NHS has got a huge number of challenges at the moment.

Was it difficult for you to make absolutely not you know I make a lot of programs, but this one's very close to home.

You know I am 1st of August the doctor and you have two stripe balance between celebrating what has achieved and continues to achieve everyday and the reality of the challenges that it faces and and every point I thought very hard about how you do that and so did the production team.

Very lucky to have series producer bath Eastwood with me and Emily bird alongside and we really talked about that quite a lot is what is the ballinteer between really telling it how it is and I'm so I'm putting together something that properly celebrates the effort to the Frontline teams, what was it that you uncovered that surprised your alarm? Do you know I don't know much about what we want but for me.

It's about trying to improve the quality of overall discussion and debate by exploding some of the myths.

We have about the NHS you know the inspire strong feelings and people and strong opinions stop politicians and to get to a better place you have to stop hitting those same old myths and no same old half trees are on trees that you are done consciously consciously do for example in the first episode explained that method it's the best health service in the world.

It isn't it's average, but on the back of that straight away you find out is average because we've Healthcare you get what?

My name is carnauba.

I'm an NHS consultant in medicine for the people statements are not true compared with comparator countries the NHS is significantly less expensive are day-to-day spending per head of population between 2010 and 18% below the EU 14 average underfunding to significantly lower levels of key clinical staff including doctors nurses poor infrastructure and Leicester Central equipment compared with their countries and Steve from Spalding Lincolnshire when dissecting the NHS experts politicians media and particularly the BBC focus on a popular cliche that haven't aged.

Factors of British population is overheating over drinking smoking relying on drugs and taking any necessary risks get doctors are scared to confront issues the this is not merely complicated.

It is complex a complex system and the intricacies of it mean that it's hard to cover properly and so I think all of us to work within the service hear stuff that you think that is more complicated than that then so it was great.

I had the opportunity over full episodes to explore some of that complexity.

I think the thing that we all rail against decided to this a magic bullet there is no single bigfix.

There is no single quick fix and it's going to be about evolutionary change rather than revolutionary.

I wonder if you think that we as the uses of the NHS maybe just have unrealistic expectations of what it can achieve that the fault of the uses for saying I mean it's the way that the energy is often portrayed really we promise people something that it probably isn't achievable within the

What's the NHS house out there's a great quote from Nigel Edwards at The Nuffield trust who helped us north end up with this program the government have a nasty habit of setting and possible targets for the energy play criticise it criticising it for not achieving them and I think that's where we are at the moment and that is very demoralising for the work.

Do you worry that the pressures on the Frontline staff is just so great the situation is only going to get worse you know I did a lot of soul-searching about that and I think you have to strike that balance between painting a realistic portrait of what is happening and what really needs to be done in the scale that Challenge without alerting into fatalism you know there is hope hope is the people the people are incredible and in fact although we very much often focus on how many people leaving the service and actually what I found over and over again during the making the series was having credibly inspiring the people are who are still in posed to are still doing and when you ask.

Why you remember yourself? Why you are you are still with this health service and why you still work for the NHS and you still believe in what it stands for what thanks to Dr Kevin Fong you can listen to the NHS who cares on Monday mornings at 9 on Radio 4 or any time on BBC signs well.

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